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OMRA vs AMA

Postby LonnieTheGreat » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:02 pm

I have heard the OMRA rules are based on AMA rules. I have heard that at AMA/ OMRA events ( like the Chicken) AMA has presedence over OMRA. At some the meetings I have been to we have voted on and adapted some things to AMA standards. Here is the delima/ question. If AMA has presedence over OMRA at AMA events , why does ETRA have to accomodate classes for both series'? More speciffically the JR classes ? I would love to see our JX kids in the same race as the AMA kids just like the rest of the classes. I realize the AMA rules specify a course length and the OMRA rules specify a different course length.

Based on the principal of AMA takes presedence over, can ETRA run the OMRA kids and the AMA kids together under AMA rules?
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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby tang8u » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:43 pm

The issue was last year at the Chicken.


The OMRA, started that the ORMA riders where per riding. Which there are two different courses.
The OMRA came back and let the JX rider run both classes.

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Why does ETRA not run the National kid ( JX ) over the hill side? AMA rule or?

The kid last year that won the junior class on the ORMA race was 10,?? Cole Conaster , from California, on a Yammi he killed it.

The OMRA course is way more tech, then the GP style course on top.

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Lonnie the Issue this year if Lonerd (sp) is going to race XC. Or any other Junior XC riders, will be Oregon and the sucky escort rule. Which is going to kill the YOUTH XC series.
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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby sweeper » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:30 pm

I can escort a race if escorts are in short supply.

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby LonnieTheGreat » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:43 am

Escorting isn't the issue for me. I just would like to see our kids racing against the kids racing the natiomal. The way the OMRA rules now stand that won't hapen.
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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby chuckw » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:55 pm

Lonnie - not sure what OMRA rule prevents the national mini classes and the OMRA jr's from running at the same time? It was done at Rock Hill a few years ago.

I agree it is a shame to have the out of state kids show up, and our oregon kids don't race with them. Only place on the WHS series circuit that the kids do not run together.

Maybe ETRA will make it happen this year -

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby LonnieTheGreat » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:42 am

Chuck, I have been told it comes from the part in the rules that state what the course shall be . There is a difference in OMRA rules vs. AMA rules.

AMA course 3-6 miles / 1.5-2 hours.

OMRA Same course as big bikes 1/2 length.

I like the idea of the kids riding the same course as the big bikes, however I don't think it would too detrimental to our kid's learning to ride one race of the year on a significantly shorter and easier course for the opprrotunity to race against the fastest kids on the west coast.

This year may be a wash, unless Toni would be willing to ask all the OMRA riders and their parrents if they would be willing to waive the OMRA course requirement so as to ride the same course as the AMA kids. However I plan to submit a rules change for us to vote on this Dec. that would allow the promoter to adopt the AMA course rules at any event that is sanctioned by AMA as well as OMRA if they choose to do so.
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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby chuckw » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:27 am

I think there is some variability on the course length. Have seen other AMA national HS's that ran more than 3 mile courses (NV 2 years ago as well as others) and on the same course as the big bikes. I know the spirit of the OMRA jr rules was not to exclude the Oregon kids from competition with AMA kids. As originally done, the OMRA rules did not mandate the course, and the rules revision in 2010 included this statement -

Distances and times are given in a range, so clubs will have some flexibility

Think this would be a promoter/sanctioning body question and solution, not one for the parents. Hopefully ETRA will work this out with the AMA and OMRA.

Does not seem like this would be too big of an issue to overcome for the good of competition.

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby James 17A » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:19 am

at the gp races the jrx race with the rest of us, with no escorts,
xc with escorts?
I think if the omra kids wanna race the national kids go for it, it should be the perants dicision based on the kids riding ability.
every jx racer I have seen in two years is plenty capable of racing the same course as those kids.
and alot of them are better riders than the adults.
a few come to mind.
kenny worley a few years ago, now winning open x.
tyler foley
max harte
blake
eli
carson
all good solid riders plenty capible of putting the smack down on those national kids.
let em race maby it will leed to something big for them.
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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby T-bone » Fri May 11, 2012 9:26 am

I just saw this thread so sorry for the tardiness in throwing my .02 in!

OMRA kids can race the AMA youth national classes and then race the AMA national on Saturday afternoon.

The course lengths we use for the AMA youth national classes have minimum and maximum distances. I will check with the course guys to see how long those courses are.

I would be willing to talk to the other race committee members at ETRA and propose allowing the OMRA Junior Ex class to ride the entire race on Saturday afternoon if ALL current OMRA Junior Ex riders are interested. I'd have to talk to the OMRA referees also because I'm truly not sure what their take would be on it.

So ... if you would like your Junior Ex rider to be allowed to ride the entire race on Saturday afternoon at the Funky Chicken please PM me.

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby LonnieTheGreat » Sat May 12, 2012 6:45 am

Toni, either You're not understanding my question, or I'm not understanding your answer. My question is can you run OMRA JRX with AMA 85 class? Yes this would mean a shorter race for the OMRA JRX riders.
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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby T-bone » Mon May 14, 2012 9:11 am

You're correctomundo - I didn't understand your question.

OMRA Junior Ex riders can ride any of the AMA youth national classes they want to and then turn around and ride the Junior Ex class in the afternoon race. Originally (last year) we were going to run the Junior Ex riders class within the AMA youth national class but the racers decided they didn't want to do that. So, this year we are doing what we did last year and running them separately.

For me it's all about the kids so if you think there's something we can do to improve things for them let me know and I'll do my best to see if we can make it happen!

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby tang8u » Tue May 15, 2012 11:17 pm

Love U T

It is not OMRA VS AMA

It is AMA ………should VS Oregon

The AMA has not done any support for Oregon Youth riders. We, and others have sent letter in the past, no support. From the AMA.

We of four riders in your family do not support the AMA, any more. But we still have to pay them to ride some Oregon Event this year. We read there mag. No support for Oregon. I have talked to people of the AMA, still no support for Oregon Youth riders.

Now the issue is Oregon has their foot in the door. Nationally. And the AMA was silence.

Oregon Law “ No one under 7 years of age will be able to ride a 2 wheel motor bike on public land.”
Any one under 15 needs a escort. I understand that the are maybe 2% of the total riders out there that this has a effect on. But where where the clubs, Lobos, Mt Scott, Trailsman, ect. This killed your next generation of riders. Where was the AMA that did not have a word in rulings on these ordinances. And a lot of this is came about because of You. You did not see it, or cared about what was coming. Damn Sheepleople This issue is over 7 year old. Racer from Out of State have to pay Twice as much to ride Oregon, they have to have a card, ect. It is coming.


Sorry just ……..Venting

Tony… T bone

is doing a great job, she did great last year. There was great support for Oregon youth rider


But do not give the blame in her or the OMRA. I blame the AMA. They did not have are youth riders in their interest.



Oregon and Washington have the Best Tech riding area.

Take the Funky “ Super Mini” Class over the hill, This Year. I Know the Cali District mini riders would love to ride on the down side of the Hill, and have a chance to run “ Horse Power”

Just My thought.

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby T-bone » Wed May 16, 2012 4:42 pm

Let me see if I understand what you're asking ...

You'd like to see the Super Mini (AMA youth class) possibly run UP the 100mph hill?

If this was the course would you like to see the OMRA Junior Ex class run with the Super Mini class rather than in the Saturday afternoon race?

Travis and I will be at Prineville this weekend helping NORA. Look me up and tell me your thoughts on what you'd like to see.
Can't make any guarantees but I'm willing to try and broker whatever I can to make people happy. After all, having fun is what it's all about in my book!

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby tang8u » Wed May 16, 2012 7:57 pm

T-bone wrote:Let me see if I understand what you're asking ...

You'd like to see the Super Mini (AMA youth class) possibly run UP the 100mph hill?

If this was the course would you like to see the OMRA Junior Ex class run with the Super Mini class rather than in the Saturday afternoon race?

Toni



Yes. Our Kids , the OMRA kids, JX have riden the Full course for Years. Horse Power hill is not that hard. The OMRA kids kid it on Sunday. Have you ever heard a complaint for them?

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Re: OMRA vs AMA

Postby T-bone » Thu May 17, 2012 9:36 am

Gotcha!

Let me see what we can possibly come up with. You're right - never had a complaint from the kids about the hill.

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